Like Cecil, I'm finishing up my IFR rating soon. That has me wondering
what's next. I don't have any desire or time to become a CFI, and I have no
intention of becoming a commercial pilot in any sense of the word. I've
thought that I might like to take a few lessons in a taildragger, but I'd
need to find a CFI and plane first. Very likely at a different and farther
airport than my usual. :(

So what's the usual choice for continuing to learn on a purely
learn-for-the-sake-of-learning after the IFR ticket?
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com

"Wizard of Draws" > wrote in message
news:BC8CE126.7DF1%jeffbREMOVE@REMOVEwizardofdraws .com...
> Like Cecil, I'm finishing up my IFR rating soon. That has me wondering
> what's next.

In your case, Jeff, seaplanes are next. Then you can draw seaplanes for us.
:-)

get some time in actual IMC, that can be a challenge in a small plane sometimes
:)



Wizard of Draws wrote:

> Like Cecil, I'm finishing up my IFR rating soon. That has me wondering
> what's next. I don't have any desire or time to become a CFI, and I have no
> intention of becoming a commercial pilot in any sense of the word. I've
> thought that I might like to take a few lessons in a taildragger, but I'd
> need to find a CFI and plane first. Very likely at a different and farther
> airport than my usual. :(
>
> So what's the usual choice for continuing to learn on a purely
> learn-for-the-sake-of-learning after the IFR ticket?
> --
> Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
> Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
> www.wizardofdraws.com
> www.cartoonclipart.com

Wizard of Draws ) wrote:

> So what's the usual choice for continuing to learn on a purely
> learn-for-the-sake-of-learning after the IFR ticket?

I realize that I probably sound like a broken record, repeating the same
advice every time I respond to a "what's next?" post, but here it goes
again: Have you considered joining an Angel Flight/Wings for Children
group near you?

You get to help out people in need, while at the same time flying mission-
oriented flights to airports you may never have landed at otherwise,
including class B airports.

You experiences and proficiency will build faster, sometimes much faster,
than by flying the $100 hamburger flights.



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"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Wizard of Draws ) wrote:
>
> > So what's the usual choice for continuing to learn on a purely
> > learn-for-the-sake-of-learning after the IFR ticket?
>
> I realize that I probably sound like a broken record, repeating the same
> advice every time I respond to a "what's next?" post, but here it goes
> again: Have you considered joining an Angel Flight/Wings for Children
> group near you?
>
> You get to help out people in need, while at the same time flying mission-
> oriented flights to airports you may never have landed at otherwise,
> including class B airports.
>
> You experiences and proficiency will build faster, sometimes much faster,
> than by flying the $100 hamburger flights.
>
>
>
> --
> Peter R.
>

Peter,

Sound like a broken record all you want. I volunteered for Angel Flight for
as long as I owned my plane. I met a lot of people and did fly to places I
would not have normally done. Also felt good helping people out. I
particularly remember the older couple I flew for cancer treatments, as well
as the mom and her 6 year old going to Miami for an operation - I was the
3rd and final flight for them, picking them up in Ormond Beach, FL and
dropping them at Opa Loka in Miami. Stayed proficient and helped out where
it was really needed!

Harvey

If the Mrs. will go for it, why not create a mini-vacation and aviation
training all in one trip? How about taking some REAL mountain flying
courses in Colorado? After I finish everything I'm working on (my plate is
pretty full, so that may be awhile), I plan on doing just that - a plus is
that my wife is dying to visit Colorado again (I've never been there,,,,
only seen pictures).


--
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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL
Student-IASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -
"Wizard of Draws" > wrote in message
news:BC8CE126.7DF1%jeffbREMOVE@REMOVEwizardofdraws .com...
> Like Cecil, I'm finishing up my IFR rating soon. That has me wondering
> what's next. I don't have any desire or time to become a CFI, and I have
no
> intention of becoming a commercial pilot in any sense of the word. I've
> thought that I might like to take a few lessons in a taildragger, but I'd
> need to find a CFI and plane first. Very likely at a different and farther
> airport than my usual. :(
>
> So what's the usual choice for continuing to learn on a purely
> learn-for-the-sake-of-learning after the IFR ticket?
> --
> Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
> Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
> www.wizardofdraws.com
> www.cartoonclipart.com
>

Why not get the commercial? Many people who get their commercial have
no interest in flying for hire. The training is a lot fun, you will be
able to comfortably do certain flights that fall under the gray area
as a private pilot.


Wizard of Draws > wrote in message >...
> Like Cecil, I'm finishing up my IFR rating soon. That has me wondering
> what's next. I don't have any desire or time to become a CFI, and I have no
> intention of becoming a commercial pilot in any sense of the word. I've
> thought that I might like to take a few lessons in a taildragger, but I'd
> need to find a CFI and plane first. Very likely at a different and farther
> airport than my usual. :(
>
> So what's the usual choice for continuing to learn on a purely
> learn-for-the-sake-of-learning after the IFR ticket?

On 3/28/04 10:16 PM, in article , "C J
Campbell" > wrote:

>
> "Wizard of Draws" > wrote in message
> news:BC8CE126.7DF1%jeffbREMOVE@REMOVEwizardofdraws .com...
>> Like Cecil, I'm finishing up my IFR rating soon. That has me wondering
>> what's next.
>
> In your case, Jeff, seaplanes are next. Then you can draw seaplanes for us.
> :-)
>
>
That would be fun too.

However, if you've been to my website recently, you'll notice that all
apparel offerings (aviation related and otherwise) have been removed. The
company making my shirts, etc., was recently sold and the new management
decided small runs were not profitable. Cafepress does not meet my standards
of quality, and the other options I have found aren't priced right.
It was fun while it lasted. Perhaps something will turn up later. Until
then, the economy has turned around in a big way and I'm busier than ever
trying to draw cartoons in between IFR lessons.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com

On 3/29/04 1:44 AM, in article , "Jeff"
> wrote:

> get some time in actual IMC, that can be a challenge in a small plane
> sometimes
> :)
>
>
>
> Wizard of Draws wrote:
>
>> Like Cecil, I'm finishing up my IFR rating soon. That has me wondering
>> what's next. I don't have any desire or time to become a CFI, and I have no
>> intention of becoming a commercial pilot in any sense of the word. I've
>> thought that I might like to take a few lessons in a taildragger, but I'd
>> need to find a CFI and plane first. Very likely at a different and farther
>> airport than my usual. :(
>>
>> So what's the usual choice for continuing to learn on a purely
>> learn-for-the-sake-of-learning after the IFR ticket?
>> --
>> Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
>> Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
>> www.wizardofdraws.com
>> www.cartoonclipart.com
>

I recently got 1.8 on a trip to Jacksonville, FL. We ferried the FBO owner's
brother home and I got a x-country IFR lesson with actual thrown in. Very
fun and very tiring.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com

On 3/29/04 10:46 AM, in article
, "Peter R."
> wrote:

> Wizard of Draws ) wrote:
>
>> So what's the usual choice for continuing to learn on a purely
>> learn-for-the-sake-of-learning after the IFR ticket?
>
> I realize that I probably sound like a broken record, repeating the same
> advice every time I respond to a "what's next?" post, but here it goes
> again: Have you considered joining an Angel Flight/Wings for Children
> group near you?
>
> You get to help out people in need, while at the same time flying mission-
> oriented flights to airports you may never have landed at otherwise,
> including class B airports.
>
> You experiences and proficiency will build faster, sometimes much faster,
> than by flying the $100 hamburger flights.
>
>
I'm not sure how practical that would be. I rent, not own, and the plane
that I fly seems to keep a pretty full flight schedule of IFR students. How
many people fly Angel Flights in a rental?
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com

On 3/29/04 7:18 PM, in article
, "Cecil E. Chapman"
> wrote:

> If the Mrs. will go for it, why not create a mini-vacation and aviation
> training all in one trip? How about taking some REAL mountain flying
> courses in Colorado? After I finish everything I'm working on (my plate is
> pretty full, so that may be awhile), I plan on doing just that - a plus is
> that my wife is dying to visit Colorado again (I've never been there,,,,
> only seen pictures).
>

That actually sounds like a good idea. The wife has been on an extended
business project in California and has racked up a zillion frequent flier
miles. A little trip to Colorado and bit of mountain flying for me while she
shops might not be a bad idea...
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com

Wizard of Draws > wrote
> I'm not sure how practical that would be. I rent, not own, and the plane
> that I fly seems to keep a pretty full flight schedule of IFR students.

You might look for a faster/higher performance airplane to rent.
Those are usually not too busy. Something like a C-182 might fit the
bill.

> How many people fly Angel Flights in a rental?

Not many, I admit - but it is doable. The key is finding a capable
and reliable rental - which, I admit, is rare and not cheap.

Some other ideas:

Get a glider rating. If possible, do it at a place that allows XC
flying in a rental (all of them will allow solo rental). There's not
much to getting a glider rating, but going on a cross-country flight
in one is another story. If you can find a place that trains off the
winch, so much the better. Where else can a civil pilot have the
experience of climbing 45 degrees nose up, 200 ft off the deck,
pulling back on the stick, and accelerating?

The tailwheel endorsement is a good idea, but make sure you do it at a
place that will rent you the airplane solo. It will take longer to
find and be more hassle, but the difference in what you learn is
dramatic.

The commercial is a waste and not much use, but how about some
aerobatic training? Again - make sure it's a place that will rent to
you for solo aerobatics.

Michael

What are these gray area flight's you're referring to?

Thanks,
Jeremy

"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
om...
> Why not get the commercial? Many people who get their commercial have
> no interest in flying for hire. The training is a lot fun, you will be
> able to comfortably do certain flights that fall under the gray area
> as a private pilot.
>
>
> Wizard of Draws > wrote in message
>...
> > Like Cecil, I'm finishing up my IFR rating soon. That has me wondering
> > what's next. I don't have any desire or time to become a CFI, and I have
no
> > intention of becoming a commercial pilot in any sense of the word. I've
> > thought that I might like to take a few lessons in a taildragger, but
I'd
> > need to find a CFI and plane first. Very likely at a different and
farther
> > airport than my usual. :(
> >
> > So what's the usual choice for continuing to learn on a purely
> > learn-for-the-sake-of-learning after the IFR ticket?

Good point Jeremy. It may help with local sightseeing flights and aerial
photography, but most of the "gray areas" cannot be rectified with a
Commercial Certificate. They usually require the establishment of a Part
135 operation.


"Jeremy Lew" > wrote in message
...
> What are these gray area flight's you're referring to?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeremy
>
> "Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Why not get the commercial? Many people who get their commercial have
> > no interest in flying for hire. The training is a lot fun, you will be
> > able to comfortably do certain flights that fall under the gray area
> > as a private pilot.
> >
> >
> > Wizard of Draws > wrote in message
> >...
> > > Like Cecil, I'm finishing up my IFR rating soon. That has me wondering
> > > what's next. I don't have any desire or time to become a CFI, and I
have
> no
> > > intention of becoming a commercial pilot in any sense of the word.
I've
> > > thought that I might like to take a few lessons in a taildragger, but
> I'd
> > > need to find a CFI and plane first. Very likely at a different and
> farther
> > > airport than my usual. :(
> > >
> > > So what's the usual choice for continuing to learn on a purely
> > > learn-for-the-sake-of-learning after the IFR ticket?
>
>

You can do a few things (not many) with the commercial which you cannot do
with a private without raising a few eyebrows.
1. Ferry flights
2. aerial photography
3. sightseeing flights
4. student instruction




"Jeremy Lew" > wrote in
:

> What are these gray area flight's you're referring to?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeremy
>
> "Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
> om...
>> Why not get the commercial? Many people who get their commercial have
>> no interest in flying for hire. The training is a lot fun, you will
>> be able to comfortably do certain flights that fall under the gray
>> area as a private pilot.
>>
>>

Andrew Sarangan ) wrote:

> 2. aerial photography

With regards to US regulations, I thought a private pilot could engage in
this type of activity.

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Not for hire, only for personal photos.

"Peter R." wrote:

> Andrew Sarangan ) wrote:
>
> > 2. aerial photography
>
> With regards to US regulations, I thought a private pilot could engage in
> this type of activity.
>
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"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message . 158...
> You can do a few things (not many) with the commercial which you cannot do
> with a private without raising a few eyebrows.
> 1. Ferry flights
> 2. aerial photography
> 3. sightseeing flights
> 4. student instruction

You can't instruct students with a commercial certificate. That's why we have
flight instructor certificates.

And you had better watch out for the restrictions on commercial operators
with regard to sightseeing flights.

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in
:

>
> "Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message
> . 158...
>> You can do a few things (not many) with the commercial which you
>> cannot do with a private without raising a few eyebrows.
>> 1. Ferry flights
>> 2. aerial photography
>> 3. sightseeing flights
>> 4. student instruction
>
> You can't instruct students with a commercial certificate. That's
> why we have flight instructor certificates.

A flight instructor certificate is required whenever the FAR calls for
'authorized instructor'. Examples are endorsing a student for solo flight,
giving checkride endorsement, flight reviews etc.. My understanding is that
any commercial pilot can give flight instruction and charge for his
services as long as he does sign students off.

>
> And you had better watch out for the restrictions on commercial
> operators with regard to sightseeing flights.
>

FAR 119.1(e)(2) lists the limitations of such sight seeing flights. There
are weight and seat limitations, and a 25NM distance limitation.

Ray Andraka wrote:

> Not for hire, only for personal photos.

But, you could take aerial pictures as a private pilot, then sell them,
no?

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ANYBODY can give flight instruction!
Just come around my airport on a Saturday Morning and you'll get about
as much flight instruction as you can STAND!

Rich

>>
>>You can't instruct students with a commercial certificate. That's
>>why we have flight instructor certificates.
>
>
> A flight instructor certificate is required whenever the FAR calls for
> 'authorized instructor'. Examples are endorsing a student for solo flight,
> giving checkride endorsement, flight reviews etc.. My understanding is that
> any commercial pilot can give flight instruction and charge for his
> services as long as he does sign students off.
>

"Andrew Sarangan" > wrote in message > A flight instructor certificate is required whenever the FAR calls for
> 'authorized instructor'. Examples are endorsing a student for solo flight,
> giving checkride endorsement, flight reviews etc.. My understanding is that
> any commercial pilot can give flight instruction and charge for his
> services as long as he does sign students off.
>
Nobody said anything about charging, so really a commercial isn't even an
issue here. Further, the FAA doesn't hold that flight instruction is even a
commercial piloting operation (an instructor doesn't need a medical if not
needed as a pilot crewmember otherwise), etc...

You can't log flight instruction other than by an authorized instructor. (61.51(b)(2)(v)).
While technically anybody can "teach" someone (no need for an instructor certificate),
it doesn't count as instruction time (for certificates, ratings, BFRs, and other
experience requirements).